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1. Evan Oberman
   Organizer

   Please read the information supplied below carefully these are how each match is to be played and
   conducted accordingly. This will be a Double-Elimination Tournament, please refer to section below for details:

   1. General Rules

   All characters legal

   All games played on Xbox 360

   Game settings: Versus Mode, 99 Seconds, No Handicap

   Standard Double-Elimination (refer to bottom of text for details)

   Only competitors who have paid full $20 are eligible to play

   While spamming is not a cheat, it is seriously frowned upon. This is a professional tournament and should be treated as such.

   Once a match is complete the either player (or both) must submit their results to judge/recorder

   2. Tournament Etiquette

   While not always punishable, a certain etiquette should will be expected from competitors. Offences committed and reported will be dealt with by the

   Referee/Tournament Manager or Tournament Organizer. Such offences can include but are not limited to: Swearing, Racism, Unruly banter, Quitting a Tournament Match, etc.

   3. Game Setup

   Rounds per match: 5

   Matches: 1

   Time Per Round: 99s

   4. Character Picking

   If the players do not discuss the method of character selection, it should be understood that the standard method is being used. If the players cannot come to an agreement on the method of character selection, the judge will apply the double blind method.

   5. Double Blind Selection

   Either player must explicitly ask for the Double Blind Selection method before either player chooses a character.

   When a player request Double Blind, the player on the left side (1p) decides which character they will choose and whispers his selection to the Judge.

   The Judge then signals the player on the right (2p) to pick his characters and play modes.

   Once the player on the right (2p) has finished, the Judge makes sure the player on the left (1p) sticks to his original choices.

   Double-Elimination

   A tournament format in which players are not eliminated until they lose two matches. The winner moves on from each bracket and the losers of the first brackets face off against the loser of corresponding bracket.

   Posted 11 months ago #

2. moxford
   Member

   There is a note in the description that all Characters are legal. I am wondering if all characters will be unlocked on all consoles used. This is essential to be done beforehand as it takes quite some time for all characters to be unlocked, especially Seth. You can't just show up with consoles and games. Time needs to be spent beforehand to unlock the characters.

   Also, there is no mention of controllers. Is it legal to bring your own controller? I'm guessing that it will be fine as every SF tournament everywhere allows players to use custom or retail arcade sticks, retail SF gamepads or standard controllers.

   Posted 11 months ago #

3. moxford
   Member

   Another concern:

   Please clarify this statement:

   "While spamming is not a cheat, it is seriously frowned upon. This is a professional tournament and should be treated as such."

   Posted 11 months ago #

4. jontheskillful
   Member

   yeah, i'd like the spamming being frowned upon thing explained as well

   Posted 11 months ago #

5. moxford
   Member

   These forums seem pretty inactive.

   Posted 11 months ago #

6. jontheskillful
   Member

   yeah, i'm disappointed with the current dota settings and if the spamming here means no repetitive moves, such as hadokens/tiger shots/etc it'd be pretty contradictory to say it's frowned upon since it's a professional tournament

   Posted 11 months ago #

7. moxford
   Member

   But frowned upon doesn't mean you can't do it. Repetitive moves are a part of some characters' game. EVO is the top professional tournament. Diago won... he spammed hadokens... he's not "frowned upon". I don't get it.

   If spamming all somebody is going to do, a good player will punish them for it, so it shouldn't matter.

   Posted 11 months ago #

8. jontheskillful
   Member

   not only did daigo win, he's the top SFIV player in the world and his classic shotokan playstyle is spamming hadokens to pressure his opponents
   he's a genius the way he uses them

   Posted 11 months ago #

9. Mesmerizing
   Member

   To be completely honest, Daigo doesn't spam moves, every fireball he throws has a reason, he has thought through the risk and reward factors for every Hadoken.

   Another thing people would think is spamming and in my opinion is not, is the Tiger Knee trap with Sagat, s.LK > lk. Tiger Knee, rinse and repeat.

   In other words, I don't see it as spamming if every move you make, has been thought through completely with risk and reward factors.

   Spamming on the other hand is just using one move over and over again without knowing what might happen when you use the move.

   If your opponent does not know, his risk or rewards of throwing fireballs over and over again, it can be punished *i.e. Akuma's ex flip.*

   Spamming shouldn't be an issue what so ever for a skillfull player, and there's really no reason to frown upon it.

   Posted 11 months ago #

10. Yazeed
    Founder

    - You can use arcade controllers if you bring them and take full responsibility of anything happening to them.
    - Spamming is not banned, there's no way to enforce that.
    - Talk DotA in DotA jon lol, wrong section
    - Saying these forums are inactive helps nobody, sorry we don't have thousands of members.

    I have a question for you now, can you bring memory cards to ensure that characters are unlocked?

    Posted 11 months ago #

11. moxford
    Member

    I'm sorry.. I was just commenting that I didn't know if we would get a reply for a while. Sorry if I offended you.

    I have a hard drive and on my profile, all characters unlocked. I do not have memory cards, so I can bring data for just one console. How many consoles do you intend to use for this portion of the tournament?

    Posted 11 months ago #

12. Yazeed
    Founder

    6 Consoles for SF4
    I have a memory card and hard drive, would we be able to copy your save/profile to different hard drives with the memory card?
    That would save us hours of unlocking characters =)

    Posted 11 months ago #

13. moxford
    Member

    I'm unsure of how this would work. I don't know if I can just copy the save file for the game or if I need to copy my whole profile/gamertag ... Unfortunately I can't check it out now as I got RROD on my xbox last night so I have to send it back in tomorrow.

    I wouldn't want to make copies of my profile as my personal information (CC, Address, etc) is all attached to that profile.

    Posted 11 months ago #

14. Havoc
    Member

    Sorry to everyone not responding some of the questions regarding the rules, I have not checked this thread in a while. To address the general question some of you had regarding spamming and it being frowned upon. As a general rule I think most of you agree as I do, in situations where the repetition of a move such as Ryu's hadoken is done for strategical purposes as a method of pressure on the opponent, is not the spamming I am talking about. I personally think that is a respectable and acceptable strategy. The spamming caution is to protect players who are generally being dicks and exploiting aspects built into the game that do more harm than good. Continuosly doing spinning lariats so as the opponent cannot have a proper fight could be an example of that. Again I understand for most advanced players these sorta players can be dealt with, but this tournament will be open to all and for possible amateurs of the game, it can be a definite nuissance. Hear me out here, I believe it is immediately evident by a players style of play if he is spamming or if it sound aspect of his acceptable play style. As for retaliation on spammers, again this is a tough thing to control, warnings may be given and we will deal with it on a case by case basis.

    The other issue of controllers, I see no issue with bringing SF gamepads. Yazeed can comment if he feels they should be excluded or not, but controllers will be provided regardless. All characters planned to be unlocked, if I had a memory card I could try transfering my account onto the account or if someone is able to that would be great, but I do hope to have them all there even if I have to do it myself :).

    Any other questions I am happy to answer and possible suggestions on the rules themselves.

    Posted 11 months ago #

15. moxford
    Member

    I can bring my hard drive. That takes care of one console.

    As for a suggestion on the rules, I've been talking to some other people, and it seems that they (as well as myself) would prefer a format where each match consists of playing best 2 of 3 rounds for best 2 of 3 games. (Using round, game, match terminology... I don't know how else to say this clearly .. haha) Take this as a suggestion though... I understand that if there is a huge turnout for this then that may take too long.

    You mention that there may be amateurs there and losing 3 rounds straight makes for a pretty quick loss. Not that you would need to be an amateur for that to happen though... I may lose very quickly too and I play way too much.. haha.

    Also, Havoc, you say you see no issue with bringing SF gamepads. Many players like to use arcade sticks. Yazeed stated above that "You can use arcade controllers if you bring them and take full responsibility of anything happening to them". I plan to bring my arcade stick and just use it for myself. I hope this is ok.

    As a note... I plan to come to this event regardless of any of this. It sounds like a fun event for a great cause. I just want to be clear on what is going to happen and what to bring (hard drives, arcade stick, etc....)

    Posted 11 months ago #

16. Havoc
    Member

    That is excellent that you can bring a hard drive, I can prolly provide mine as long as it still works. As for the SF gamepads, it seems me and Yazeed are in agreement on this so go ahead and bring your SF gamepads, of course as Yazeed mentioned, take care of them as obviously we can't have eyes everywhere and be held responsible for them.

    As for the request to change the rules from a best of 7 rounds single match to a best of 3 matches over 3 round matches (I hope that made some sense :P) I will have to get back to you guys on that. Obviously this being the first time the game is being introduced to the event we will have to see if that will be possible. It was in consideration as a possibility, but again it always comes down to time. Other than that, I will say, for now it will remain a best of 7 single match, but I will look into this possibility for you.

    Posted 11 months ago #

17. moxford
    Member

    Cool. Sounds good. What time should I get there since I will be providing one of the hard drives?

    Posted 11 months ago #

18. Yazeed
    Founder

    Well the Street Fighter Tournament is actually starting near 4pm, Halo will be going first using the Xbox Consoles, so no need to come earlier than opening doors at 10am. If you can test out transferring saved games through a memory card that would be great that way we can use one memory card to copy the saved game of unlocked characters to all the systems.

    Posted 11 months ago #

19. Havoc
    Member

    I was asked by someone to look into the rules for Street Fighter IV, particularly concerning the duration of the match. After discussing with other members and participants, I can see a possibility for a possible best of 3 match, where each match would be 3 rounds. Now the change is not official, I'm just gathering feedback from you guys here on the forum. All other rules would be in place including the fact that it will be double elimination. This decision again will come down to time and to ensure we have all the games fit in, along with time for freeplay/stand-up comedy.

    Reply below if you are interested in switching the tournament set-up from a best of 5 round single match to a best 2 of 3 rounds for best 2 of 3 games (i.e. each match is 3 rounds, first to win 2 matches advances). It will always depend on time and the turnout of the event, if for some reason, SFIV ends up having a massive turnout we will have no choice but to stick to the original setting. Regardless please voice your opinion on this and vote for the set-up you guys think works best.

    Posted 11 months ago #

20. jontheskillful
    Member

    i vote for the 3 round match, best two out of three matches (in favor of the change)

    is the finals going to be best 4 of 7 matches with 3 round matches? or will it be the same thing the whole way through?

    Posted 11 months ago #

21. HitManCPT
    Member

    So if SF doesn't start until 4, what time do we need to show up if that's all we're playing? How long does the registration go on until?

    Posted 11 months ago #

22. moxford
    Member

    I like the change. I suggested it. ;)

    Posted 11 months ago #

23. Yazeed
    Founder

    HitMan
    There's lots to do throughout the day, but if you only want to come for SF4, then come an hour earlier at least and find the registration section for tournaments, or come at 10, register, then come back 30 min before the tournament begins. We need time to make the brackets, it helps us a lot if you come early.

    Posted 11 months ago #

24. Havoc
    Member

    Yes, registering early at 10 is extremely helpful. Plus the first hour and half gives you a chance to roam and free play.

    Posted 11 months ago #

25. HitManCPT
    Member

    I unfortunately won't be able to make it in till 1-2ish. I am for sure planning on competing in the SFIV tournament though! Hope this isn't a problem.

    Posted 11 months ago #

26. moxford
    Member

    This event was so poorly organized and run! Street Fighter was scheduled to start at 4:00 and didn't start till 6:30. Two and a half hours of waiting. To make things worse, once it finally began, players were kept waiting between matches for over 15 minutes. It's not that hard to set up a tournament bracket and call out matches when they need to be played. What was the point in having 5 setups with nobody playing at them for 10-15 minutes at a time?! To make everything that much worse, there was a 30 minute break at 7:00!! I left at this point without even playing a game. I was just too fed up with the lack of organization and control over the event. Why does anyone need a break from sitting and waiting? I wanted a break from waiting and actually play a game. The tournament was double elimination and at the rate it was going, it was never going to get finished. There was also the stand-up comedian that was supposed to perform, so I was anticipating another break for that.

    I think the lack of organization is to be frowned upon. This was a professional tournament and should have been treated as such.

    Posted 11 months ago #

27. Kareem
    VP

    Thanks for your criticism moxford. I'm sorry you didn't get any enjoyment out of it. Street Fighter didn't start off as smooth as we would have liked, but in an event where we try to incorporate as many games as possible to attract as many different people as possible, it's easy for things to go wrong. Especially when we have to use systems for more than just one game. I'm fairly certain it was a well-known fact that things can and likely would be pushed back/delayed as I mentioned in the disclaimer on the main page a few days ago.

    The main reason SF4 started later than usual was because Halo took longer than expected. Halo had a ridiculous turn out, much more than we had in all of our previous years. Halo and SF4 shared the same systems. Another thing that went wrong was having the right amount of copies of SF4 and saved profiles for it. The people that were supposed to have this done for us at the event did not come through for us. Luckily there were some participants at the event who brought their own hard drives preemptively and let us get on with the tournament. Those two reasons is why SF4 took longer than usual to start/end. The '30' minute break at 7:00 was for the comedians/beatboxer. When all was said and done, and SF4 started, it went by pretty smooth and was pretty joyful to watch. The tournament that actually took the longest was Brawl.

    Sometimes you have to look at it from other people's perspectives. There was much more than just SF4 at the event. We welcome your criticism because it allows us to run this better year by year. Regardless, thanks for coming and supporting our charities.

    Posted 11 months ago #

28. Camdenml
    Member

    I understand how upset you must've been. As one of the organizers of the Brawl tournament, I was pretty angry to see how long the process was taking. We thought by 4, we'd be ready, but we had to wait because we weren't actually able to set up. The Mario Kart tournament went longer than expected. Also, when we did manage to finally get it started, we were limited to 3 TVs. Plus, people were playing in other games, so getting half of our games started was impossible. Our tournament didn't end until 11:30, and that's only because the Semi's and Finals were cut down to best 2 out of 3 instead of the intended 3 out of 5. But hey, one guy ended up having to wait 5 hours to play his first game.

    You really do have to put all of the other games and people into consideration.

    Posted 11 months ago #

29. Kong Wen
    Member

    I didn't think it was a professional tournament—it was a fun charity event. Some people take games too seriously. All things considered, I thought it was actually very well organized. Once Street Fighter got started, it rolled along pretty quickly, to the extent that I ended up playing 2-3 matches right in a row.

    The only event that I played that I thought could have been organized a bit better was Mario Kart, and that was just because of the weird elimination rules (3 players at a time getting eliminated by CPU racers? Come on...).

    Kudos guys, that was a fun event.

    Posted 11 months ago #

30. moxford
    Member

    Kong Wen: Read the rules... I just changed the line about spamming from the rules. I was being facetious. I'm sorry if that was lost on people.

    I'm glad to hear that things went better after it started, but while I was there, things were boring and frustrating. I can understand that things were delayed due to halo, and I was ok with that. I didn't like how once it was started, the screens were empty more than they were full with organizers just chatting with each other instead of progressing play.

    I don't think I was taking things too seriously. I was there to play a few games and donate some money to a good cause. I just didn't get to play any games, so I was frustrated. I had plans for Saturday night, and I thought it was 100% reasonable to expect to go to the tournament and play some games before I had to leave (around 8 or so) since I am not that good and expected to lose in the early stages anyways.

    Posted 11 months ago #

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